Legal Off the Leash

Hi, and welcome to Legal off the Leash, with your hosts, Elizabeth de Stadler and Scott Simmons. Why are we doing this podcast? We want to help create a legal profession filled with successful and happy lawyers. Because we know lawyers are unhappy. And while most firms care about unhappy lawyers who leave, they should be just as worried about the ones who are staying. Presenteeism, or what some people call quiet quitting, costs the global economy about 9% of Global GDP. That is USD8.8 trillion. If the global legal market is USD797 billion, that means lawyers are pissing away [Elizabeth, where’s the calculator!]... ahem, a lot of money. Lawyers are bombarded with information about how to make themselves, their firms and their lives better. At the best of times it is just too earnest, at worst it is bewildering. In Legal Off The Leash we cut through the crap and talk honestly with a vast array of people who are cleverer than us about law, life, laughter and line dancing. We don’t talk about line dancing, but we do talk far too much about Harry Potter. This podcast is about Elizabeth and Scott tearing each other new ***holes and interviewing guests about how to make firms and lawyers better and happier. It is a must-listen for any lawyer who isn’t a malignant narcissist. Actually they’re welcome too.

Episodes

Jul 8, 2025

48 min

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future!
In episode 3, we’re talking to Uwais Iqbal the founder & CEO of simplexico - The Legal AI Consultancy. He has published academic research papers and industry journal articles on Legal AI, delivered AI Education to international law firms as well as to the general public at the prestigious Royal Institution, and regularly speaks about Legal AI at international conferences. He is on a mission to demystify AI for the legal profession so they can step into a future of collaboration with AI.
Key Themes
Demystifying AI in Legal: Understanding AI beyond ChatGPT – and why most people use it wrong.
 
From Hype to Reality: Cutting through “innovation theatre” and inflated expectations.
 
Use Cases That Matter: What’s working in law firms today—and what’s not.
 
Lawyer Experience First: Why AI should enhance, not replace, legal professionals.
 
Mindset Shift: Moving beyond the billable hour and toward scalable expertise.
 
Memorable Quotes
 
“It’s a mismatch in understanding around the capabilities and the limitations of the tool.”
 
“People are stuck in microwave land without realizing you can get pizza ovens and you can actually get personal chefs.”
 
“A lawyer who knows how to use AI is going to be far more valuable than a lawyer who's rejecting AI and not savvy with it.”
 
“Technology becomes a proxy for status and reputation. ‘We're using AI, therefore we're the best firm.’”
 
“What’s the most effective labour resource to deliver that work product: a human, a machine, or a combination of both?”
 
Important Insights & Actionable Insights
 
Education is step one: Uwais likens AI to electricity: technology layer → application layer → use layer.
AI success: enhancing workflows, not automating people out of the process.
Cooking analogy breakdown: generic tools, focused tools, and custom solutions
Clients are ahead of firms: They're adopting AI and will soon expect law firms to do the same.
A common myth debunked: Buy expensive tools and you’re innovative. Most firms are buying microwaves and calling them personal chefs.
 
You can connect with Uwais here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/uwaisiqbal/

Jul 8, 2025

48 min

Jun 24, 2025

51 min

Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future!
 
In episode 2, we’re talking to Paul Dunn, the co-founder of B1G1 (Buy1GIVE1), where he has created a model that allows businesses to embed giving into their everyday operations, creating lasting impact worldwide.
 
Paul is the author of seminal business books such as The Firm of the Future and Time’s Up, has delivered four TEDx talks, and continues to inspire global audiences on how business can be a force for good.
Paul’s message is simple: When businesses give, the world changes. Through his work, he empowers businesses to move beyond profit and create lasting, positive changes in the world.
 
Important Themes In This Episode
Purpose Beyond Profit: Law firms should create meaningful impact, not just generate revenue.
Human-Centred Law: Breathing humanity into law is not a nice-to-have, it's the future.
Rethinking Success: The traditional model of legal success (billable hours, prestige) is outdated and damaging.
Mental Health & Meaning: Disconnection from meaningful work is at the heart of the legal profession’s mental health crisis.
The Power of Giving: Small, purposeful acts embedded in daily transactions can change the world.
Legacy & Storytelling: The stories we tell and live shape generations to come.
Memorable Quotes
“Move from standard to stand out, because you stand for something bigger than yourself.”
“When your vision becomes more powerful than your memory, your future becomes more powerful than your past.”
“You don’t become a lawyer to fill out six-minute timesheets—you do it to change lives.”
“Simple scales. Complex fails.”
Important Insights & Actionable Takeaways
Reframe Your Purpose: Write down why you do what you do. If it’s all about you, rewrite it. Aim for something bigger.
Kill the Billable Hour: Paul echoes Ron Baker’s tombstone wish: “Here lies Ronald J. Baker, the man who killed the billable hour.”
Measure What Matters: Stop only measuring tangible outputs. Track joy, connection, and human impact.
Empathy as a Competitive Edge:
Toward clients: "I see you."
Toward employees: They’re your first clients.
Toward yourself: Stop burning out for free.
Adopt a Subscription Model: Law firms can and should ditch hourly billing in favour of outcome-based, client-aligned pricing.
Start Giving Daily: Using platforms like B1G1, firms can embed micro-giving into their services—changing the lives of others with every transaction.
 
You can connect with Paul here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulb1g1/

Jun 24, 2025

51 min

Jun 9, 2025

51 min

And here we go!
Welcome to Legal Off The Leash, the podcast where we take the legal profession out of the box and into a happier, more fulfilling future!
In its very first episode, Scott & Elizabeth tell you who they are and why they’re doing this podcast.
They share their stories of burnout, how it shaped their careers, and why they feel so passionate about helping lawyers create successful AND happy careers.
You’ll get to hear what this podcast is all about and some of the topics that will be discussed as this podcast evolves.
Scott & Elizabeth also discuss:
💡The generations wars—why Gen Z are choosing a different way to work in the legal profession 
💡What it means to start a law firm on your own
💡The importance of choice and leverage
💡Why having a legal career doesn’t mean you can’t experiment
And you’ll find out the 4 questions they’ll be asking every guest who comes on to the show.
Connect with Scott on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotttherainmansimmons/
Connect with Elizabeth on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabeth-de-stadler/
 

Jun 9, 2025

51 min

May 30, 2025

1 min

Hi, and welcome to Legal off the Leash, with your hosts, Elizabeth de Stadler and Scott Simmons.
 
Why are we doing this podcast?
 
We want to help create a legal profession filled with successful and happy lawyers.
 
Because we know lawyers are unhappy. And while most firms care about unhappy lawyers who leave, they should be just as worried about the ones who are staying. Presenteeism, or what some people call quiet quitting, costs the global economy about 9% of Global GDP. That is USD8.8 trillion. If the global legal market is USD797 billion, that means lawyers are pissing away [Elizabeth, where’s the calculator!]... ahem, a lot of money.Lawyers are bombarded with information about how to make themselves, their firms and their lives better. At the best of times it is just too earnest, at worst it is bewildering. In Legal Off The Leash we cut through the crap and talk honestly with a vast array of people who are cleverer than us about law, life, laughter and line dancing. We don't talk about line dancing, but we do talk far too much about Harry Potter.This podcast is about Elizabeth and Scott tearing each other new ***holes and interviewing guests about how to make firms and lawyers better and happier. It is a must-listen for any lawyer who isn’t a malignant narcissist. Actually they’re welcome too.

May 30, 2025

1 min

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